Amongst my regular stop-off points are the Earls Court Police box and the two Police Posts at Picadilly Circus and St Martin Le Grand.
I always knew of the Picadilly one, but it was some time before I found out about the one near St Pauls. With little other information, I always assumed (the eighth deadly sin) that that was that was left.
But following my latest write-up about the tour with Mark Ferris, a friend contacted me to let me know he had spotted another one, this time in Grosvenor Square, a stones throw from the current American Embassy. What?? There’s THREE? Sure enough, after looking it up on Google Street View I found it.
That got me thinking and so I did some digging on the net and discovered - to my amazement - there are actually ELEVEN surviving Police Posts in the Greater London area. This needed further investigation, so I have been to visit all of them, and here ther are:
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Post OneLocation: Aldgate High Street
Model: PA450
It uniquely has a row of holes on the rear top and bottom (see below, left and right).
Post TwoLocation: Old Broad Street
Model: PA450
It looks like it has been butchered for a Terry Gilliam film, but this is aparently how it was!
Sadly the post is missing the POLICE Public Call POST sign on the front and the POLICE ones form the sides (see below, left).
Again it has the City Of London coat of arms on the arched front plate (see right).
Post ThreeLocation: Walbrook Street
Model: PA450
Like the Aldgate High Street one it has a red plain glass lamp in excellent conditon, as also is the general paintwork of the post itself.
Post FourLocation: London Guild Hall Yard
Model: PA450
Post Five
Model: PA450
The coat of arms doesn’t have the commonly-seen arched panel under it, making it more asthetically pleasing to my eyes!
Post SixLocation: Queen Victoria Street
Model: PA450
The paintwork has lost its gloss and it could do with some TLC.
UPDATESadly on a recent revising, I discovered this post has been removed and where it stood has been paved over.
Post SevenLocation: Victoria Embankment
Model: PA450
In recent years it has become a litter bin, with passing pedestrians using it for their rubbish.
The arched panel seen behind a lot of the City Posts is here, though there is no attributation, either City Police or Metroplitain, though it is probably the latter.
UPDATESadly on a recent revising, I discovered this post has been removed and where it stood has been paved over.
Post Eight
Model: “Fake” MP - PA450
The MP logo was added, though it lacks the central crown (see posts 10 & 11 below).
Post Nine
Model: (MP) - PA350
It is also a working post, with a modern phone inside! (see below, left).
Sometime since 2005, this post was relocated from its original kerb-side position a few feet away.
As it is possible to walk around the post, it is possible to see the makers mark on the back at gournd level: CARRON COMPANY, STIRLINGSHIRE.
The post has a nice example of the light, ala The Doctor’s TARDIS circa 1970s (see below, right).
Post Ten
Model: (MP) - PA350
The 4 inch brass handle on the telephone door (see below, bottom left) is the same as on Police boxes.
(All other surviving Posts have iron Pull handles moulded into the door)
The door still opens, as it has a working telephone inside! (see below, top right) This is probably because the Police Station it is outside (see below, top left) is only open six hours a week!
Finally, in the rear of the post, right down at the bottom, is the makers mark: CARRON COMPANY, STIRLINGSHIRE (see below, bottom right).
Post Eleven - well, BoxLocation: Hendon Police Training College
Model: Police Box
Of note: This box is a converted period box, though it is not clear when or where it originally stood.
It is not accessible to the public, though it can be viewed from the window of Northern lines trains running between Colindale and Hendon Central.
Other Boxes and Posts
Box TwelveLocation: Earl’s Court Road
Model: Watchbox
Of note: I have not included this in the Eleven Posts and Boxes above as this is not an original from the 1950s or 60s, having been commissioned in 1996.
It was, however, constructed to the original speficications, with some modifications.
The ‘lamp’ on the top is actually a survellance camera (see below, left).
Post Thirteen - missing in actionLocation: Liverpool Street (removed)
Model: PA450
Of note: This post stood on Liverpool Street up until relatively recently. This photo (see right) show it only a few years ago. it’s fate is currently unknown – probably lost in the vortex somewhere!
Box FourteenLocation: Trafalgar Square (south east corner)
Prior to the conventional blue-box shape, police boxes were in a variety of shapes, often built into street settings.
This is a rare surviving example from the 1950s and has now become a broom cupboard for the maintenance workers of Trafalgar Square!
The lamp housing is reported to be a fitting from the HMS Victory.
Saved for the nation!
The can be seen at: Crich Tram Museum (MP) (also Police Box, see left), The Amberley Working Museum, The Avoncroft Museum of Historic Buildings, National Museum of Scotland in Edinburgh, Milton Keynes Museum - PA450 (Best decal of London City Police logo), Dyfed-Powys Police Station in Llangunno, Police museum in Ripon, Yorkshire and The Beamish Museum (newly restored).
Nice one! Good to see so much history remains intact.
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Its a great summary you have here.
ReplyDeleteI can see some of my notes peaking though, mostly the PA450 bits.
PA 450 was the telecommunications system they used inside the Posts and at the Police station. If you manage to get a peak at GPO documentation it will say PA XXX somewhere on the drawing. If you see somehting older you might see PA 350, or really old like 1932 or earlier it would be PA 150.
Although as a classification tool its not bad, but when describing the age it is actually more clear to go with the manufacturing details. Which would make all the Police Posts PA No.3; except for Grosvenor Square and Northwood which are actually PA No.2 posts. The Ericsson Pillar from the early 1930s is a PA No.1 in case you were wondering.
Now within the Pa No.3 group there are two age markers. The 1955 style, and the 1963 style. Where the Victoria Embankment Post is from somewhere around 1955 to 1963, the Piccadilly Circus Post is from 1963 to the end of the era in 1970 or so when radios ended Police Telephone dependency.
The easiest way to tell where they fall in the range is to look at the lantern. If the lantern rods attach directly to the stepped base then you have a 1963 style post. However if the rods connect to the stepped base with an bar bracket then its from the 1955 style.
Co-incidentally the older 1937 style like Northwood has the bracket on the lantern as well. Which stands to reason as the 1955 style was really there to lighten the design by making it modular panels for erection on site. Its something like 780lbs vs 560lbs for the new design. As well the change in cap designs in 1963 was to make a cleaner casting and presumably make it easier to access the light bulbs.
Anyway, I'm not sure if you are aware but your map is a bit low on Police Posts. There is actually a few more around London. There are two in Sidcup, and then one more in Greenwich area, and another in front of the Metropolitan police Museum.
Pity about Liverpool street. It was a fine Post, I wonder why they removed it. Do you have any photos of the area? Was there road work done recently.
Cheers
~Starcross
Its a great summary you have here.
ReplyDeleteI can see some of my notes peaking through, mostly the PA450 bits.
PA 450 was the telecommunications system they used inside the Posts and at the Police station. If you manage to get a peak at GPO documentation it will say PA XXX somewhere on the drawing. If you see somehting older you might see PA 350, or really old like 1932 or earlier it would be PA 150.
Although as a classification tool its not bad, but when describing the age it is actually more clear to go with the manufacturing details. Which would make all the Police Posts PA No.3; except for Grosvenor Square and Northwood which are actually PA No.2 posts. The Ericsson Pillar from the early 1930s is a PA No.1 in case you were wondering.
Now within the Pa No.3 group there are two age markers. The 1955 style, and the 1963 style. Where the Victoria Embankment Post is from somewhere around 1955 to 1963, the Piccadilly Circus Post is from 1963 to the end of the era in 1970 or so when radios ended Police Telephone dependency.
The easiest way to tell where they fall in the range is to look at the lantern. If the lantern rods attach directly to the stepped base then you have a 1963 style post. However if the rods connect to the stepped base with an bar bracket then its from the 1955 style.
Co-incidentally the older 1937 style like Northwood has the bracket on the lantern as well. Which stands to reason as the 1955 style was really there to lighten the design by making it modular panels for erection on site. Its something like 780lbs vs 560lbs for the new design. As well the change in cap designs in 1963 was to make a cleaner casting and presumably make it easier to access the light bulbs.
Anyway, I'm not sure if you are aware but your map is a bit low on Police Posts. There is actually a few more around London. There are two in Sidcup, and then one more in Greenwich area, and another in front of the Metropolitan police Museum.
Pity about Liverpool street. It was a fine Post, I wonder why they removed it. Do you have any photos of the area? Was there road work done recently.
Cheers
~Starcross
A post was recently erected - late 2011 - (in commemoration of fallen comrades presumably) outside of Huntingdon Police Station. No details of the type of post at present.
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